Frances Forever on being a “certified fool”

“I was young and dumb, but now I’m just dumb,” sings Boston-based Frances Forever (real name: Frances Garrett) on their new single, “Certified Fool” – a hook that perfectly captures the sentiment. adult restlessness and regret sitting in our stupidity. “I want to go back to high school,” the indie-pop phenomenon continues, recounting PAPER that they are “not smart enough to be done with school.”

This relatable existentialism is how Forever quickly built a young and dedicated fan base, starting with their TikTok viral hit, “Space Girl,” which would later be reimagined with chloe moriondo and appear in their debut. paranoia party EP. Much like Forever’s discography – with spacious production and easy, bright melodies – “Certified Fool” sounds like an instant classic.

Where movies or soundtracks typically focus on our coming of age, Forever wanted to pay attention to the second cycle of personal development – a chapter that is, in many ways, more complicated and ambitious than the first. And they do it with humility and humor: mom uploading photos to Facebook, almost killing potted plants, postponing chores until tomorrow, therapy … lots of therapy.

Before Frances Forever on tour Misterwives on tour and their first headlining show on November 21 at The Echo in Los Angeles, PAPER met a rising musician to talk about Paramore, home schooling and getting back on stage.

Would it be fair to describe your sound as “nostalgic” or do you think the categorization is way too simple?

The late 2000s certainly inspire a lot of my music, but I think the genres are a bit silly – just listen to my music. I love to experiment, from dipping a toe into more jazzy sounds, to heavy Paramore inspired guitar songs. Take what you want.

You have had huge success with “Space Girl”. Why do you think this song resonated with so many people?

I think it was a song that a lot of people needed. People need happy, gay songs, and everyone has wanted someone they consider perfect and ethereal – someone who takes you to a whole new world.

What was it like working with chloe moriondo on an updated version of “Space Girl”? What do you think she brought to the track?

it was so much fun working with chloe. I think she brought such a cute and fresh new perspective to the song. Even Chloe’s laughter makes me smile and her phrase: “I turn on Saturn when you call me your little human thing” made me gasp when I heard it for the first time. It’s definitely my favorite version of the song.

How do you think “Certified Fool” builds or develops from your paranoia party PE?

paranoia party for me, it’s the journey I took in college, dealing with anxiety and discovering my identity. “Certified Fool” is about a kind of second coming of age, getting your college degree, trying to figure out where my space is in the world and scrambling to learn all the knowledge that I have. feel like I missed school.

In terms of references, what were you listening to when creating this single? In what ways has this crept into “Certified Fool”?

I used to listen to a lot of Paramore and Hayley Williams’ early solo albums. They inspired 100% “Certified Fool”.

I like crochet, “I was young and stupid, but now I’m just stupid.” Tell me when you wrote that, was that what opened this song lyrically?

This line was actually written by my partner, Robin Andresen. I had a line that said the same thing, but in a more complicated way and Robin just said, “Why don’t you just say, ‘I was young and stupid, but now I’m just stupid’? ‘ They also came up with the song title and I insisted on giving them the writing credits.

Are you sure you want to go back to high school? What are your favorite memories from that time?

In fact, I don’t – that line means I feel like I still have a high school brain and I’m not smart enough to be done with school. High school was a tough time for me, especially after moving to a new state at the age of 13.

You were homeschooled, weren’t you? How do you think this experience impacted your life and, perhaps, your approach to music?

Being homeschooled was definitely the only way for me to be as involved in music as I was. Wednesdays were my music days and I had a full day of piano, voice, and guitar lessons. It gave me so much space to be creative and learn at my own pace.

Where was the unique fine art photo taken? Tell me about this memory and why you wanted to include it in this song.

Unique art was at my very first concert, a Selena Gomez concert. I think it’s so cool to think of seeing this scene and dreaming of someday playing it, and now I’m getting there. “Frances finished her studies to go on stage.”

What excites you most about going back on tour?

I’m very excited to be playing with my whole band, which are all made up of some of my closest friends. We’ve never toured before and I know it will be an amazing experience. Who wouldn’t love to play music with their friends every night?

Photos courtesy of Lani Parrilla

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